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schools who are -- who have an interest in working with the police are like everyone else in every vocation. there are good ones and there are some that don't measure up. [speaker not understood] the s-r-o work with the students at the school, we can address that issue if it becomes a problem. but we are trying and we are listening. we've been here all day. >> thank you very much. if you can identify yourself for the folks who are watching. >> i am commander john loft us. i am in charge of the investigations. >> thank you, commander. i appreciate that. my apologies. i didn't realize you were there, so, we thank you for -- if i can simply add something. i think it's wonderful that you're making progress on the three recommendations and certainly the m-o-u being the focus of this hearing, i think it's a good thing. and great with the pamphlet. i do think on the issue of the
training, though, i'll be honest and i'll look forward to continuing the conversation with the chief and with the police commission, our expectation was that there would actually be more along those lines, you know. the kind of training that was envisioned during the joint hearing of the youth commission and the police commission was a best practices training that is unlike anything that was already in the works by the police department. i'm very familiar with the dgo, but it really was training that went beyond the implementation of the dgo. and, in fact, there was a separate presentation where we brought a national expert that made a presentation of the kind of training that they're doing in cities like boston. so, i'm aware that there is some additional training that's being provided, but i really hope that we go beyond what you described.
and i think the expectation from the youth commission is that we will go beyond what you described. and, so, i know i just want to make that point because i think that there is a need for additional conversation with the chief of police on that because what you describe is a good thing, it's a positive development. in my estimation it doesn't go far enough. >> i understand. >> supervisor fewer. >> thank you. i am wondering, do we have to have a m-o-u? do we have to have police in our schools? i think that -- i understand that discipline should be handled by school personnel. we have our trained personnel that deal with discipline. if something is a criminal matter, we can call the police like everybody else. you said the school cards work just fine. i don't understand why we have
to have police in our schools. quite frankly, there is a difference between probable cause and reasonable cause. and it is true that our cities have less rights in our schools than they do have on the street. * students considering the police force, 75% of the sworn officers live outside of san francisco in communities, many communities where they are not used to being with people of color and our schools are 95% students of color, i think that i would like to explore the possibility that we no longer have police officers in our schools and that we have a relationship with the police, of course, in our community policing b with you don't necessarily have to have them on our school site. i think police can be just as effective, quite frankly * . if you call them in, the response time is excellent. i commend you for the training, but i would like, just to bring this to my fellow
commissioners, that perhaps we have now started a precedent in our schools that we are looking at a less punitive form of discipline and a more restorative approach. and that perhaps it is a new day that we are not in need of having police officers actually on our sites. and that if our schools are in need of a police officer when something criminal is happening, then indeed we would call the police. and those rights that the students are learning i think would come into play also at that time. but i think that we should open up the conversation to whether or not this is something that our school district actually needs. and knowing the limited resources that the city has around police services, that maybe they could be better used at the district station. and if we should need their assistance, that, of course we would call. >> commissioner maufus.
actually, commissioner mendoza. >> thank you. i have kind of a reverse comment, commissioner fewer. [speaker not understood]. can we just make sure we're thinking about the difference between our s-r-os and our [speaker not understood] outside of the s-r-o? i think there is a difference in the way in which they're trained and ways in which they relate to our students. and, so, just want to make sure that this is -- actually all of your officers are getting trained to work well with students and that there are some conversations that happen around that. >> working with juveniles is a large part of our training. obviously i agree with you that the s-r-o should receive even more training because if they're going to be in an environment where they're with students for the entire shift, they should get the most training that we can provide them. >> thank you.
>> commissioner maufus. >> thank you, chair campos. just a quick comment to commissioner fewer's comment is that, yes, it is a new day, but there are also old practices that happen. and as with turn over and rotation, you know, if we don't have some sort of memorializing document even denoting the very simplest of understandings about school, school property, who is in charge when something does occur, or who will be the lead, i just think that is really the beginning of why we need an m-o-u just to memorialize those very simple and basic understandings as generations of officers, principals, school site staff, you know, come and go through our city and our schools. and that's the only comment i wanted to make. hopefully we can continue this. >> thank you. thank you very much. and, colleagues, i apologize to the members of the public, we are about to lose a quorum. but let me just simply say that
the question of whether or not police officers should be on schools -- at schools, that's ultimately something that the board of education decides. you know, we as a body here do not have the authority to say one way or the other. where we come in is that if the position of the board of education is continue to have that, then there is a memorandum of understanding that outlines that relationship. then i think it is appropriate for this committee to discuss that, which is what we're doing. but ultimately the decision of whether to allow or not allow, that's ultimately up to the san francisco unified school district through its board of education and, you know, in consultation with the superintendent of schools. so, that's not our decision to make here today. but if it's okay with my colleagues, if we can have a motion to continue to the call of the chair, and we will make sure this item is at the top of the agenda for the next meeting
of the joint committee to make sure that we have, you know, a resolution on this issue. so, can we have a motion? motion by commissioner maufus, seconded by commissioner fewer. if we can take that without objection. and again, we want to thank all the members of the public who have waited patiently, to my colleagues as well. and the staff and the school district and the city agencies. madam secretary, is there any other business before the committee? >> no, supervisor. >> meeting adjourned. thank you. [adjourned]